Sunday, October 12, 2014

Texas wins 2014 Men's 3.0 National Championship, takes sandbagging to a new level

I just saw that the Texas men won the 3.0 National Championship played in Tucson this weekend.  Congratulations to them on winning, ... and also for taking sandbagging and apparent under self-rating to a new level.

I have on occasion written about suspect matches where individual players may have been throwing matches in order to manipulate their rating down.  But I have never seen what appears to be this example of an entire team manipulating the system to get a National Championship.  Here are the details.

I've been writing about some of the progress at Nationals this weekend and had a few comments written about how some Texas individuals were doing and the team as a whole.  I then looked and saw that they won it all earlier today so decided to take a look.

First, at Nationals, in their flight they won it easily going 3-0, 12-3 on courts, losing just the 6 sets and 79 games.  While they lost the 3 courts, they won every match 4-1, most of the wins of the 6-2,6-2 type of score, and two of the losses in match tie-breaks.  In fact, take out the 29 games lost in the 3 losses and the rest of the matches, the wins, averaged 6-2,6-2.  That is perhaps a little suspicious but not that unexpected at Nationals.

It is worth noting that in their flight where they lost one court per team match, it was generally their lower rated players that lost and 2 of those 4 did not play in the semis or final, so they may have known they'd win the other 4 courts and were able to get their lower rated players in matches this way.

But in their semi, they played a Pacific Northwest team that had gone 3-0, 15-0 on courts, losing just 4 sets and 83 games.  On paper, PNW looked like the stronger team going into the final, except that it is interesting that PNW lost more games despite not losing a match, so their wins were not as lopsided at Texas'.

The result in the semi?  Texas won 5-0, losing just one set, and losing a total of 19 games in the other 4 matches, an average of slightly better than 6-2,6-3 on average.  It would seem PNW were not the sandbaggers, or they just didn't do it as well.

In the final, Texas also won 5-0 over a Northern California team that went 3-0/9-6 in their flight and had won their semi 3-2.  In this match, there was another match-tiebreak win, but the other 4 matches lost a total of only 9 games.  Not exactly the close competition you'd expect in the final at Nationals.

So, Texas was clearly the best team there, but were they the best fairly?  By the rules the USTA has in place, I have to assume it was all technically legal.  But I've written before that I think the rules are too lenient, so does it pass the smell test or the stricter rules I or others would advocate?

Looking at the Texas roster of 15, only 4 were self-rated which is not unexpected at the 3.0 level as 3.0 is a common level for new players to USTA League.  But what is somewhat surprising is that every other player on the roster was self-rated in 2013.  Ok, perhaps a bunch of friends got together and played in 2013 and enjoyed it and got some more friends to join them.

But if you look at the 2013 records, it all gets more suspicious.  Every one of the computer rated players played the exact minimum 3 matches in 2013 required to get a C rating and all did so in Texas' Fall league.  Of those 33 matches, all but three were losses or competitive wins, so these players were not exhibiting the level of play they did at Nationals in playing the minimum 3 matches.

What about the self-rated players this year?

One played only 3 regular season matches, the last being a bad loss that appears may have been thrown to keep their rating down.  Because of this low rated match, they were able to win twice at Sectionals without worrying about a DQ.

Another played only one match and was not part of the Nationals team.

The third played only once in the regular season (a default win got them their second match to qualify for playoffs), and went 2-1 at Sectionals with an odd retirement loss thrown in there.

The last played only once in the regular season (also a default win to qualify for playoffs) and that was a retirement loss, then went 2-0 winning easily at Sectionals.

From all of the above, there appears to have been an orchestrated effort to get most of the roster a 3.0C rating at 2013 year-end, and then to minimize the matches played for the self-rated players to avoid DQs.  Is this necessarily an indication of cheating?  Not on a case by case basis, but when every single player of a 15 player team falls into one of those categories, something seems amiss.

I also can't say for sure that any of the self-ratings last year or this year were inaccurate or dishonestly done.  But seeing where some of the players are now rated and observations from Nationals that some of the Texas team was not putting forth a full effort and still winning easily makes one suspicious.  It is possible that the players just improved throughout the year, but when looking at my Estimated Dynamic NTRP Ratings nearly every player is well into the range for a 3.5 now and a few are threatening being double bumped up to 4.0, and they all did this without playing up, I think it is safe to say they were not legitimate 3.0 players.

Now at Nationals, you are always going to have players playing above level, it is just the nature of the beast that the best players at a level are at the top and even above that level as they have improved.  But because of the apparent orchestration to get players C ratings, the Texas players were able to improve and be well above level without any consequence, and if they did play Fall league matches at less than full effort to secure the 3.0C ratings, those were achieved falsely and the players were fraudulent 3.0s.

And perhaps this is just a case of Texas cheating better than the other teams.  There may be some validity to that, but in the case of PNW, there were no self-rated players, only one appeal and that was an appeal up, and only one player was a self-rated player last year.

So, how could the USTA solve this?

One school of thought is to not allow self-rated players to play at Nationals.  There is some merit to this but this team would have been largely unaffected as 11 would still have been eligible since they did the minimum to get their 3.0C ratings from 2013.

Or, the rules for qualifying for playoffs are pretty low, be in 2 matches but 1 of those can be a default.  Why not increase this at least for self-rated players and not allow defaults to count as a match?  That would keep players from not playing so few matches to avoid strikes but still qualifying for playoffs.

But regarding self-rated players, something I advocate is tightening up the tolerances for strikes.  Today, a 3.0 can be clearly playing at a 3.5 level and not be DQ'd due to the tolerance the USTA allows for players to improve.  Doing this would have DQ'd 2 of the 4 self-rates on the Texas team so it would have helped, but not done enough to prevent the team from advancing.

The another option would be to not allow a player to get a C rating unless they play at least 3 matches in a league that advances to Nationals as that is the league where players are more likely to play their best.  In Texas, this would not allow players to get C ratings from playing in secondary leagues like the Fall league.  Note that some sections don't include these secondary leagues in NTRP ratings as their solution to these leagues being used to manipulate ratings.  Either way, this would have kept this entire roster as self-rated and then many of them would have been DQ'd or at risk of DQ preventing them from advancing.  Of course, the players would just have had to start earlier to get the 3 matches in during the Spring/Summer league but it at least makes it more difficult.

Last, the USTA could do away with the rule that C rated players can't be DQ'd.  One approach would be to have the threshold for a C rated player be higher than for a self-rate, but still have a threshold for strikes to preclude players that are clearly above level from continuing to play at that level.

Thoughts?  Leave a comment or vote in the poll to the right on what the USTA should do about situations like this.

40 comments:

  1. Apparently no grievances can be filed at the national championship level. I totally think this should be allowed and would be a quick fix answer to sandbaggers.

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  2. USTA should perform some type of background checks on self-rated players going into Nationals. A quick internet search will tell you that one of the Texas self-rated players played Varsity HS tennis and represented the school post season in both district and regional rounds. Tennislink is also a good place to see the types and levels of tournaments a self-rated player played in. In this case, the same Texas player is a semifinalist in an open mixed doubles tournament.

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    1. Those types of grievances are supposed to happen before nationals. The other captains in the Texas section did everyone a disservice by not doing their research before sectionals, districts, etc.

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    2. Yes, the grievances are supposed to happen earlier. It would hardly be fair to a team to travel to Nationals and then get told they'd been DQ'd. And given the competitiveness in Texas, it is surprising grievances wouldn't have been filed by opposing captains if there was something there.

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  3. What is also unfair is for 15 other USTA teams to travel to AZ only to get crushed by a calculated sandbagging team. A bit of USTA checks could've helped. The self rated 3.0 Texan appeared to be playing 4.5 tennis. He played so casually vs his 3.0 opponents.

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    1. Completely agree. All I can say is to let your voice be heard by writing to all the USTA folks you can. Still doubt anything will be done unfortunately.

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    2. Thanks for writing up this article...I appreciate your analysis. We are spreading the word and will write to USTA in a constructive way. On the whole, it's so great to have USTA for organized amateur tennis on a national level. Yet there are still the few that significantly game the system just for the win and spoil the fun, excitement and experience for the rest of us. I hope that the USTA will see this as a wake up call to refresh some rules and do more proactive audits. A little can go a long way.

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  4. Played against PNW in flight this weekend. Those guys were sandbaggers and pricks. At least they told us they would easily win it. I think Texas just outcheated them. We were in over our head.

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    1. I can't speak to their behavior at Nationals, I can only say that from looking at the player's records, there was not any obvious sandbagging from current self-rates or players getting bumped down last year.

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    2. We got beat 5-0 by PNW. I'm not excusing Texas but outside the Texas match, they were 24-1. They really were the two biggest cheaters. We didn't play Texas but PNW players were extremely rude and disrespectful. They were certain they would win and were not even hiding their attitude about it. 24-1 sounds pretty much like they are more than just a bit hypocritical.

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    3. PNW was definitely a strong team. I can't speak to their attitude at the event or on the court, but I would hope all players behave appropriately on the court. And I'm not saying they weren't well above 3.0 level players, they obviously were. My observation though is that their roster was full of C rated players that had been playing for a few years unlike Texas'. This means either they had an even more elaborate multi-year sandbagging plan, or they just happened to really work on their games and improve this year resulting in playing well above 3.0 level by the end of the year. Perhaps some think there is no difference, and if so, they are entitled to that opinion.

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    4. I don't know what team you were on, but I don't remember anyone on our team being rude or disrespectful to the other teams in our flight. We may have been a little amped up for the competition, but not rude. I liked everybody we played up until texas. As for cheating, we all worked really hard this year and just happened to be at the top of the level or a little higher, but that is not cheating. One of the guys we played didn't even know how to hold the racquet to make over head volleys, so there was some disparity of skill. If you get to nationals you are supposed to be at the top of the level. None of our players ever played High school or college, and we all want to play up so we always play to win. That's how it should be. I apologize for the team if you felt disrespected, that was never our intent. The level of play at our sectionals was much higher than what we saw at the Nationals which means there is a discrepancy in levels among different sections. That is not our fault. If we were truly "sandbagging" our match with texas wouldn't have been such a blowout.

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    5. Sorry to hear that. As a PNW player, I can say some on our team certainly get excited when we are winning. Overall though, I had a good time competing and had good friendly conversations with my opponents both during and after matches. I think most of my teammates had similar experiences.

      As a team, we had some really tight matches at the regional and sectional level, so considered ourselves lucky to get to Nationals. We trained extremely hard to get ready for nationals, and for the most part, it paid off. Except for Texas, it did seem that the competition in our region and section was better than at Nationals.

      For me personally, I had a really tough doubles win against New Jersey and an easy singles win against a tired midwest player who maybe shouldn't have been #1 singles. Then my partner and I played the match of our lives (I don't think we ever played better) in beating a very good Las Vegas team by a big margin.

      In the knockout rounds, my partner and I had a loss to Texas and an easy win for third place against a Buffalo team that was good but clearly not playing their best after a disappointing Semifinal loss.

      Again, if you played against my partner and I, I humbly apologize, but was unaware of any issue during play. Otherwise, I apologize on behalf of our team. We wanted to win, but more importantly to have fun and make sure our opponents had fun as well As for myself, I thought the nationals was a great experience, even with the Texas mess. Notice I am using my real name so you can verify my account.

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    6. LANEY College here in San Francisco Bay Area is know for the same sandbagging fiasco! They know how to work the computer system and make their self-rated players loose some of the matches so the computer will not strike them. and when you see them in districk they hit harder than the next level players!!! so sickening, disheartening and discouraging. i am posting this link to my FB account so it get's viral. this unfairness has to stop and we are responsible to flag it at the minumum!

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    7. I am one of the PNW team captains. I am sorry if you felt that we were not respectful and rude. We are a highly completive team and sometimes we do get carried away with trying to win but we try to keep it respectful. We go into all our matches believing we are the best and we going to win. Over the time that I have played tennis I have learned tennis is just as much of a mental sport and much as it is a physical sport.

      I played in the singles matches so if I was rude to you then I apologize, but from the conversations I had with the guys I played against everything was very cordial and the matches could have gone either way. I even made a few new friends this last weekend and I even saw a few members of the teams we played cheering us on at the semi-finals against Texas.

      If we made you feel disrespected and as a captain I apologize for the team, it was not our intent to do that. We as a team had a great time and enjoyed the experience and we enjoyed meeting all the teams.

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  5. Caribbean beat us last year and they went 10-0 on Sunday. Is this supposed to be news at 3.0?

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    1. you must be from steaksause (texas) as said in Mandarin.

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  6. I played against Texas in the Finals, it is disappointing to work so hard all year to get to the National Championship Finals and play a rigged team with poor sportsmanship on and off the courts. Not fair for any of the competitors, and raises questions about the validity of our rating system.

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  7. This website should require a facebook login or something. Some of these comments are pretty suspect.

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  8. I watched the finals in Texas and it was a joke. The captain of the Dallas team started swearing at one of the Norcal players calling him a F&@$ S@"$ plus he was coaching from the sidelines. The ref threw him out of the spectator area. Their were several children around one who was the players child looking scared. Awesome, some national championship victory Captain. Hope you are proud of yourself. I guess winning is everything including putting players who could easily play 4.0 in a. 3.0 match. On one of the singles court the player acted bored. Would rally easily and then put the ball away like a cat toying with a mouse. Overall teams were evenly matched except this sand bagging cheating team from Dallas

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    1. Oops. Meant Tucson Nationals. PNW had a great 3.0 team and the fact they got beat so badly by Texas and then Norcal

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    2. CAPTAINS of such team should be penalized by USTA!!!

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    3. Actually, the person thrown out was not the Texas captain.
      I believe he had said "good ball" in Chinese, but since Chinese isn't the native language in the US, others didn't understand what he said, so one of the more "talkative" players complained, which I fully understand, though, the same player that got points by shouting out incorrect calls while points were in play. That is NOT understandable. LOL

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  9. LANEY College here in San Francisco Bay Area is known for the same sandbagging fiasco! They know how to work the computer system and make their self-rated players loose some of the matches so the computer will not strike them. and when you see them in districk they hit harder than the next level players!!! so sickening, disheartening and discouraging. i am posting this link to my FB account so it get's viral. this unfairness has to stop and we are responsible to flag it at the minumum!

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  10. Thanks for posting this Kevin; it really opens my eyes to things that just seemed bizarre during the tournament.

    In case this comment doesn't include my log-in information, my name is Steve Baer and I'm a member of the PNW team that played this weekend. I want to state that I had a fantastic experience this year by getting the opportunity to play at Nationals and will forever remember the great times playing with my teammates and with really fun people on the other teams around the country. USTA did a fantastic job of putting on the event and we are very proud of our 3rd place standing.

    On our team's background, most of us started playing around 4 to 5 years ago at the 2.5 level after we got an email from a local shop that was putting together beginner teams. By the way we played at the time, I'm pretty sure not a single player on the team ever played in high school. We've just stuck together over the years and have become good friends and helped each other learn this great sport. I'm very proud of these guys and how they handle themselves on and off the court.

    While attending the tournament, we did notice that the #1 singles player looked way too good to even be playing at 3.5 or 4.0 level which is what I would expect the players to be approaching with their skill levels once they reach Nationals. We did a quick internet search during the tournament of Caden and came up with this high school article

    http://eagleedition.com/sports/2014/04/30/varsity-tennis-makes-regionals/

    Now I can't say with %100 certainty that this is the same Caden Lott from Rowlett, but it sure seems like the chances of it not being him are extremely slim. How this guy was able to play on a 3.0 team completely boggles the mind.

    Besides this dark spot on the tournament, I do want to state again that it was a wonderful experience and highly recommend anyone that plays in USTA to go if they ever get the chance. No matter what system USTA has in place, someone is going to figure out how to 'game' it and these guys were absolute masterminds at what they did.

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    1. Apology is not enough. Go to the USTA office and confess! Then give back the trophy! Sandbaggers do not deserve to win! USTA grievance rules state that Captains and Players may be subject to $10K and suspension!

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  11. Our local captains have been suspended for "s" abuse. All "s" players need to be required to play 1 or 2 yr within their own level (3.0 can play ONLY 3.0) that way a better comparison made. EVERYONE who complains about "s" needs to pressure USTA for that change. USTA "s" ratings are a known joke.

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  12. On the men's side, the Texas Section team claimed first-place honors by beating a Northern California Section team from Napa, Calif., 5-0, in the championship match. They reached the final earlier in the day with a 5-0 semifinal win over a team from the Pacific Northwest Section.

    “It was a great weekend," Texas captain Keith Clark said. "We all enjoyed meeting the other players and seeing a great display of sportsmanship. They work hard, and it was well deserved.”

    The top four finishers for the women were Pacific Northwest in first place, Caribbean in second, Texas in third and Southern California in fourth.

    For the men, Texas finished in first place, Northern California in second, Pacific Northwest in third and Eastern in fourth.

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  13. I had the pleasure of playing the Napa team that came in second at sectionals. A great group of guys. I personally know how well they play and believed them to be very solid team of guys that had played through the system and had developed as normal players would. Playing for a few years, having more wins each year.

    To see them beaten that bad by a bunch of "second year" players...stinks of foul play. Someone above mentioned Laney College, and how their reputation proceeds them in their ability to sand-bag. Having played Laney College in the same sectionals I know first hand that they are not really on the up and up. My partner and I played 2 guys both in their second year, both C rated. Both playing way above level...on more so than the other.

    The sandbagging that goes on in the USTA is terrible. Before districts we looked into the teams we'd be playing and brought grievances against several players...all of which were self-rated players with perfect seasons. I'm not talking they went 2 or 3 and 0, we're talking 5 and 7 and 0. It came out in the grievance process that one of them had a dynamic rating of above 4.0, according to USTA officials. Each of our 5 grievances were upheld upon appeal by the USTA. Oh and some of the self-rated players were playing in 3.5 matches...and winning! Instant DQ from 3.0...I think.

    I agree with Kevin's comments about keeping self-rated players out of not only Nationals but any post season match. I was going to say playoff, but I think those should just be done away with. Further more first time "C Rated" players should be very suspect if they all the sudden have these great records as well.

    The process should be more real-time as well, DQing a player after districts doesn't do ANYTHING for the teams that played fairly and maybe should have been moving on instead of the team that was "Working the system".

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  14. Every year, Kevin posts of sandbagging issues, such as this example from last year:
    http://computerratings.blogspot.com/2013/10/it-is-time-for-usta-nationals-and-all.html

    So this year doesn't really seem that out of line to me.
    Face it, there is a lack of logic in trying to create a finite play level boundary and keep people with in it. If that worked, everyone in the level would be the same.
    But look at Nationals - I don't think there was a single iota of actual 3.0 level tennis there. Most players of most teams were at a strong 3.5 to 4.0 level.
    I will go out on a limb and say that a team must know how to "work the system" to make it to Nationals. period.

    So I think what contestants are really complaining about is that they were out "sandbagged" by a team or teams that figured out how to work the system better than them.

    I hate to say it, but the reality is that Nationals are only 50% about tennis, and the other 50% about the "politics" if you will (really, technique for working the system, not really politics) required to achieve this.

    Mostly, I think complainers are sore losers - so-called "sandbaggers" that didn't do it as well as the winning teams, like Texas, and until now, the Caribbean.

    But do these people have a right to complain and protest? Absolutely. That too is "part of the game". So sure, bring it on. It's as if Nationals has 3 elements to it:
    1) playing tennis
    2) politics and sandbagging, and who can do it best
    3) Complaints and cry of foul play because a team that thought they had sandbagging down to an unbeatable science was outdone.

    But make no mistake, as I said, it's only 50% about tennis itself, and you gotta love the full "game of Nationals" to participate.

    So personally, while I don't know all the specifics, I solute Texas for a "nationals" job well executed.

    That said, I will agree with some comments that USTA should look into better refinement of rules and self ratings.
    From what I observed, Texas looked pretty legitimate on the doubles side, and a lot of close and hard fought battles. As for their singles lines however... maybe there is something for USTA to look at to better their self rating guidelines in the future, and how that relates to sectionals/nationals qualification, if that's what really happened with one or more of the singles guys.

    But overall, I think a torch passing from the Caribbeans isn't such a terrible thing, because it will inspire other teams to believe they can win in the future.

    I don't envy the role of the USTA.
    Teams seem to get to where they are partially based on how strong other teams in their local division are. So in the case of the Caribbean for example, I believe they are all strong, so the general level of competition is much higher relative to the NTRP rating.

    But if you look at NTRP descriptions, this should not be the case, because NTRP clearly specifies specific skill sets, like approaching the net, and use of top spin, etc. - all things that the level of play at Nationals blows away.

    That's why, this whole topic is an age old one and probably will never be resolved, short of USTA certified people actually observing every player to better rate them, instead of relying of a computer model.

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    1. You are right, it isn't really out of line. This one was just unique because every player on the roster fit exactly into one of two profiles.

      You are also right that this isn't an easy problem to solve, you are effectively trying to figure out what artificial limit is "fair".

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    2. I agree.

      I tried doing a little player research for Texas and Northern Cal.

      The Texas team (not all) seems to have mostly been bumped up to 3.5 as of recent 2014 ratings.
      I assume that's a computer rating based on match scores through out the season(s)...
      Some of them appear to be playing 3.5 in 2014. Some maybe even 4.0? not 100% sure.
      Though I couldn't find everyone, so perhaps I'm not searching correctly.

      The Northern Cal team had a different profile.
      Almost all of them appear to be 3.0's right now (or maybe I'm looking at old ratings - some had 2012 dates. Not sure how to see the 2014 ones).
      But many of them actually did play 3.5 in the past - as far back as 2012. At 3.5, some did well, some just OK, and some not so well.

      So I'm really not sure how to judge all this into a valid opinion as to what is and isn't fair. I suppose that if USTA rules are followed (even if the rules are in need of change), than that's what we must go by.
      ...Just like the law. Many laws, or how they are enforced, seem wrong, but with out them, we have breakdown and anarchy.

      One point that I can't get out of my head though is something one of the players calling foul said (can't remember which team off hand): That their team has been together for 4-5 years and that that should be a guideline, instead of allowing teams that are just 1-2 or so years old.

      What I keep stumbling on with this is that is you are an active player (serious enough to join USTA, and even make it to a nationals), how can you still be a 3.0 after 4-5 years of serious playing?

      1 or 2 players- the exception. OK. But an entire team?

      Maybe I misunderstood the comment.
      ...but you do the math. Idunno... Thoughts?

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  15. Does anyone have any video footage of the Semi's or Finals? It would be instructive to see what is considered national level play at all of the various NTRP levels.

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    1. I don't have footage. But it is safe to say that you will see play worthy of the next higher level at most every Nationals. Every team may not have a full squad of players that will be bumped up at year-end, but there will be quite a few and making the semis likely means at least a third to half the roster is in line to be bumped up, particularly at the lower levels.

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  16. The Seattle 4.5 team runs a coordinated 2 year program of having guys deliberately lose at 5.0 to become 4.5. Take a look at Ryan Hoy's results. As expected it works very well and they just won the 4.5 national championship.

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  17. You are right. Todd Conley runs the ring and he just won 5.5 rated nationals as a 4.5. he's been to 12 national championships in recent years. He won a single match 6-1, 6-2 against a 5.5 rated player in a tourney so it doesn't count, then lost 0-6,2-6 to a 4.5 player in a league match.

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  18. Yep -- Todd Conley is he master of ratings manipulation at the 4.5 level in Seattle. He has 18 guys who dump matches at 5.0 to be 4.5s every other year. They won 4.5 nationals this year and they will again in two years.

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    1. So lets test this accusation.

      There are only 6 players from the 2012 Nationals team that were on this years team. So it certainly isn't 18 guys that are part of this "2 year program". Of those 6, only 2 were even bumped up to 5.0 at the end of 2012.

      Did these 2 manipulate their ratings to get back down? It is possible, but one was only 0.02 into the range for a 5.0 so they were by no means a strong 5.0 and just a few normal matches could easily result in being bumped back down.

      The rest of the roster? There was only one other 2013 5.0 on this year's team.

      So based on actual analysis, this does not appear to be the mass ratings manipulation you are putting forth with just 3 players even being 5.0s last year and one of those barely a 5.0. The 18 number seems to be a huge exaggeration at best.

      I welcome questions and constructive feedback on the blog, so lets keep it that way or come out from behind "anonymous" if you want to continue making accusations.

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  19. I am a new tennis player and wanted to add my comments here for whatever they are worth. I played against the Dallas team in Sectionals and we got beat badly 5-0 and the matches were not even close. I thought this was a little odd as I expected more competive matches. We were able to play competive against the rest of the field. However, we were not able to bring a couple of our guys so I just chalked it up to that

    I also want to add that as far as I have been able to tell the rating system just does not work. I have now played at the 3.0, 3.5 levels and with some 4.0 players. I have been in many 3.0 matches where the players were playing 3.5 level and many 3.5 level where I felt some of the players were playing 3.0 level. The thing about the 3.0 level is that there appears to be a group of guys that continue to play at that level for several years and you can tell they should be at the 3.5 level. I started palying tennis a year ago and was able to move to the 3.5 level within 6 months and I am in my mid fifties. I think there is a lot of sandbagging that goes on and it seems like if you play by the spirit of the rules you will not be able to compete at the sectional or national level. Just my observations as a rookie.

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    1. Thanks for the comment.

      Regarding the system working, there will always be variability in the matches you play. You may be playing a 3.0 match against players that have improved and will be bumped up to 3.5 but haven't yet just because bumps don't occur until year-end. Correspondingly, you may be playing a 3.5 match where players are headed down and/or are playing up and so really are at the 3.0 level. This doesn't mean the system doesn't work at all, just that it will always be catching up with players that are going up or down since ratings generally only change at year-end.

      Do people sandbag? Sure, and that is unfortunate and it would be nice if it could be detected and accounted for.

      Regarding playing by the spirit of the rules, yes those that stretch the boundaries may advance to Sectionals and Nationals more often, but I contend you don't have to do this to get there. You do have to be amongst the best players at your level though. Someone who is an average player at level should not expect to necessarily get to playoffs and do well. It is just the nature of the system that has arbitrary thresholds between levels.

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