Sunday, November 20, 2011

Preliminary week 12 College Football Ratings and Rankings

Here are my computer's preliminary week 12 ratings and rankings.  Still gathering a few scores, but all FBS games are in so these should be pretty close to the final ones.

As has been the case since week 6, LSU and Alabama are the top-2 teams.  The order has swapped a few times, but according to my computer they have been the clear top-2 teams most of the year.  And unlike the polls, my computer didn't drop Alabama just to do so after the loss.  Yes, they lost, but they were still the second best team in the country and so were rated/ranked appropriately.

For similar reasons, the 3 teams that lost this weekend remain in the 3 thru 5 spots.  They all lost significant ratings points, but because of the lead they had over Stanford/Boise/Arkansas/Wisconsin, they are still ahead of them.  Again, even with the loss the computer is saying these teams are better than those behind them.

Look for the final week 12 ratings and rankings on the web-site Sunday morning.

RankTeamRatingRecordScheduleChange
RankTeamRatingRecordScheduleChange
1LSU93.97911-070.977+0, -2.284
2Alabama91.91610-171.511+0, -1.124
3Oklahoma St86.72010-172.967+0, -4.429
4Oregon86.0039-271.474+0, -4.742
5Oklahoma85.3548-273.542+0, -2.903
6Arkansas84.28810-168.821+2, +0.604
7Boise St84.0679-168.456+0, -0.440
8Stanford82.55510-168.860-2, -2.309
9Wisconsin82.1779-265.576+0, -0.827
10Texas A&M80.5326-573.976+0, -0.303
11Michigan80.5209-268.906+3, +1.029
12Southern Cal79.9869-271.524+1, +0.271
13Georgia79.4089-268.781-2, -1.268
14Kansas St78.7479-273.173+1, -0.207
15Missouri78.3646-573.663-3, -1.746
16Houston78.32911-059.750+9, +1.252
17South Carolina78.1549-270.438+0, -0.636
18TCU77.7399-265.307+2, -0.550
19Michigan St77.5039-266.623+2, -0.630
20Texas77.1456-472.404-4, -1.704
21Notre Dame77.0808-369.365-3, -1.570
22Baylor77.0467-373.062+6, +1.430
23Nebraska76.2298-370.588-4, -2.290
24Virginia Tech75.88310-166.977+2, -1.029
25Penn State75.6819-269.054+4, +0.133

Saturday, November 19, 2011

Handicapping the BCS - 11/19/2011 version

If we thought everything was clear after last weekend, it is anything but now.  We went from a clear LSU vs Oklahoma State championship to who knows what.

What we know now is that LSU is really the only team that controls their own destiny.  If they win out, they are in the BCS title game.  But they have to host Arkansas and then play Georgia, both quality opponents.

But who might they face?

The leader is now Alabama.  Oklahoma had (in my opinion at least) a great shot of moving ahead of Alabama but that is gone now, and Oregon perhaps had a chance too, but they lost that with a bad FG attempt just like Boise State.  But Alabama may have to do more than just beat Auburn.  If Arkansas pulls the upset over LSU, there is a chance that Alabama wins the SEC West tie-breaker and has to go play Georgia in the SEC title game.  In a way, they are rooting for LSU so they don't have to face a potential additional game.

Arkansas also has a shot, but simply beating LSU wouldn't be enough in my opinion.  They have played a much weaker schedule, especially out of conference, than many others, so besides beating LSU they really need to get to the SEC title game so they can play another quality opponent in Georgia.  For that to happen they'd have to get ahead of Alabama in the BCS after beating LSU which may be a stretch.

Oklahoma State should receive strong consideration.  They've played a tougher schedule than LSU or Alabama, and way tougher than Arkansas, and that doesn't even include playing Oklahoma yet.  If they win that game, the computers will love them and perhaps the voters give them a bit of a break on the loss due to the tragedy with the schools women's basketball coaches.

But what if LSU beats Arkansas and Auburn beats Alabama and Oklahoma beats Oklahoma State?

Next on the BCS ranking list from last week would be Virginia Tech, but they have to play at Virginia and if they win, vs a good Clemson team.  These two games will help VaTech's schedule strength which is pretty weak right now.

Right there with Virginia Tech would be Stanford.  They get to play a good and improving Notre Dame but don't get to play a title game, but perhaps that is good as they won't have the downside of a potential loss or having to play a weak opponent.

What about Boise State or Houston?  Boise State finishes with weak opponents and will get hammered by the computers because of this and while they are ahead of Houston as of last week, this will likely change as Houston gets to play good opponents Tulsa and Southern Miss to close the season.  Even with these, Houston needs lots of help to get past the others mentioned above.

Note that even is LSU loses to Arkansas, they could still make it as they simply fall to the group of 1 loss teams, and arguably have the strongest resume of them all.

Conference championship games are bad for the BCS

In the past, I've often wondered if the conference championship games are a no-win situation for the conferences and the BCS, and this year it could very well be the case.

As I wrote a bit ago, we could end up with no BCS AQ conference having a champion with less than 2-losses.  But there could be as many as 3 teams from those conference with just 1 loss.  This is primarily because of conference championship games.

In the SEC, we could have a 3-way tie in the SEC West with LSU/Alabama/Arkansas all at 10-1.  The bummer for the team that gets to go to the championship game is that by winning the tie-breaker, they are put in a no-win position of having to play another game and risk losing while the 2 other teams get to stand pat on their 1 loss and potentially back their way in to the BCS title game.  Without the championship game, the team that won the tie-breaker to get to play it would likely be in line to go the BCS title game already.

In the Pac-12, because USC is ineligible for the conference championship game, Oregon (or Stanford should Oregon lose to Oregon State) could be forced to play a so-so ASU or weak UCLA team, either of which could hurt them in the BCS computers.  Another no-win situation.

These are two of types of scenarios where having to play a championship game has more downside than upside.  Of course, winning convincingly against a good opponent in the title game has its upside too, but it is more common that a good team is expected to win and only has downside should they lose.

Might the BCS championship game not have conference champions?

I have not been shy about posing scenarios where the teams at the top have some unexpected losses.  But with Oklahoma State, Oregon, and Oklahoma all losing in the past 24 hours, things have gotten stranger than even some of my far fetched ideas.  So, I'll need to go a little farther out to push the envelope now.

How about the BCS championship game not having a representative that won their conference championship?  It could very well happen now in a few different ways.  Yes, it requires a few upsets, but clearly those can happen after what we saw this weekend.

One scenario has all the 6 BCS conference champs all having two losses or more, while several 1-loss teams are standing by.  How is that?

  • SEC - Georgia with 2-losses beats any one of LSU/Alabama/Arkansas for the SEC.  If they beat LSU, both LSU and Alabama could be non-champs with just 1-loss.
  • Big-12 - Oklahoma has 2-losses now but could still win the Big-12 by beating Oklahoma State which would leave them with 2-losses as well.
  • Pac-12 - Oregon could win the Pac-12 finishing with 2-losses, while Stanford stands by with just 1-loss.
  • ACC - Clemson could win with 2-losses.
  • B1G - One of MSU/PSU could win with 2-losses.
  • Big-East - Well, nuff said.
With these conference champs all with at least 2 losses, we could have 2 SEC teams with 1 loss, a Pac-12 team with 1 loss, Boise State with 1 loss, and Houston with 0 losses.  The voters and computers won't let Boise or Houston crash the party, but it is entirely possible that two of LSU/Alabama/Stanford could be in the top-2 in this scenario.

Should one have to win your conference to be in the BCS championship game?

Friday, November 18, 2011

Oklahoma State lost, now what?

I wrote up a bunch of scenarios several days ago about what happens if Oklahoma State and LSU both were to lose.  Well, I didn't think OSU's loss would be to Iowa State, but it is 1 down and 1 to go.  So now what?

Much of my earlier analysis still applies, but because Oklahoma State lost the "wrong" game, things do change a bit.

For one, should OU beat OSU, they won't get quite as much credit in the computers and polls as OSU won't be perceived to be as good a team.  How much less credit?  My BCS algorithm had OSU #1 coming in to this week and will drop them only to #2 based on the strength of the Big-12 and their season to date.  OU will be close behind at #3 so they would still get a good bump in the computers if they win.

However where OU will hurt in the polls.  OSU, not being a traditional championship contender will fall farther in the polls than they perhaps should so OU beating them wouldn't be considered quite as strong with the voters.

So I still think OU can get to #2 in the computers winning out like I wrote before, but they may not be able to get to #2 in the BCS without a little help.  Who stands in their way?

Likely Alabama, as they are #3 now, a nearly consensus #3 in the computers, and #3 in the polls.  They will move to #2 in most computers next week and even with an Oregon win over USC, will be no worse than a virtual tie with Oregon for #2 in the polls.  Oregon would get a boost in the computers with the win but not enough to pass Alabama so Alabama should stay ahead.  And with Oregon having to play a weak Oregon State and a so-so ASU or worse bad UCLA team in the title game, while Alabama gets to finish their season against Auburn and still potential for the SEC title game, they could boost their credentials a bit more than Oregon.

Now, I say the above but for the same reason that Oregon could get hurt a bit in the computers, Alabama could this week playing Georgia Southern.  Now, the problem is that some of the computers treat games against FCS teams differently, I believe a few don't count it and others don't rate all teams so who knows what it will do.  So potentially they could get hurt a bit this week but again, I think they have a better chance to rebound than Oregon does.

Arkansas could also play spoiler and get ahead of OU, although I think it is a tougher case to make.

The way this season has gone though, this analysis could be moot after tomorrow as some other upset could take place and a whole new analysis will be required.

Monday, November 14, 2011

Week 10 NFL Ratings Posted - Green Bay remains #1

The NFL ratings after week 10 are now posted here and below.

The top-2 stay the same, but there is a new #3 in New England.  Last weeks #3 Detroit drops all the way to #8, Baltimore and Chicago swap spots and Houston and Pittsburgh move up to #6 and #7 respectively.  See the projections for what this mean to all the teams playoff hopes.

In the fight for the worst team, Indianapolis has wrapped it up early.

The computer went a poor 8-8 against the spread overall and only 1-2 in best picks.  See prediction performance here.

RankTeamRatingRecordScheduleChange
RankTeamRatingRecordScheduleChange
1Green Bay92.3759-080.763+0, -0.118
2San Francisco88.2978-180.446+0, -0.878
3New England86.7596-382.166+4, +1.931
4Chicago86.6136-382.411+1, +0.694
5Baltimore86.2546-381.825-1, -0.077
6Houston86.1357-379.961+5, +2.117
7Pittsburgh86.1027-381.717+6, +2.382
8Detroit85.4666-382.847-5, -2.126
9New Orleans85.2997-381.236-1, +0.542
10Cincinnati84.7726-380.367-4, -0.842
11Dallas83.8855-481.519+4, +1.422
12Atlanta83.2375-482.084-3, -1.414
13NY Jets82.7875-481.997-3, -1.377
14NY Giants81.9636-380.821+2, +0.466
15Tennessee81.9625-480.047+4, +2.112
16Buffalo81.5645-481.208-4, -2.201
17Philadelphia81.3553-681.330-3, -1.649
18Denver80.4304-582.319+2, +0.868
19Oakland80.0035-480.595+4, +1.582
20San Diego79.4474-580.846-3, -1.705
21Tampa Bay79.1334-582.501-3, -1.809
22Seattle79.0513-683.383+5, +1.931
23Minnesota78.5362-783.238-2, -0.935
24Jacksonville78.3443-682.531+2, +0.916
25Arizona78.0153-680.499+4, +1.891
26Miami77.9582-780.865+2, +0.966
27Carolina76.8362-781.316-5, -1.712
28Washington76.4633-680.867-4, -1.338
29Kansas City75.8814-578.831-4, -1.548
30St Louis74.9302-782.614+1, +0.969
31Cleveland74.9233-679.971-1, +0.126
32Indianapolis69.6280-1081.579+0, -0.785

But what if Oklahoma State AND LSU lose? Scenarios galore, must read.

With Stanford and Boise State losing, "order" is restored and we have a clear #1 and #2 in the BCS rankings.  If LSU and Oklahoma State win out, they play in the title game and there is no confusion or debate.

But there are some, myself included, that think there is a good chance that Oklahoma State loses to Oklahoma, and the nature of the system is that OU could find themselves #2 in the BCS.  I discussed this a few weeks ago in describing how an undefeated Boise State and even Stanford could potentially be passed by a 1-loss team, OU the most likely in my analysis.  The quick summary on why OU would pass Alabama is that they are already ahead of Alabama in one computer and only 1 spot behind in 3 others, and by beating a team that half the computers have #1 (the other half #2), they would move ahead of Alabama in the computers.  Couple that with having such a big win late influencing the voters, and voila, OU moves ahead of Alabama and into the #2 spot in the BCS.  And even if it is close between OU and Alabama or Oregon, the pollsters desires to not see a re-match will cause them to leave OU's way.

Now, my computer says Oklahoma State is the better team and they get the game at home, so it isn't picking the upset, but lets assume it happens.  Then what if LSU loses too?  Does the result of Bedlam cause, well, bedlam in the BCS?

LSU should roll at Mississippi this weekend (unless they start looking ahead too soon), but then hosts Arkansas the following week.  The Razorbacks have been playing well, up to #6 in the BCS (#8 in my computer), so they have a shot at the upset.  Even if LSU gets by that game, they'd have to likely play a Georgia team that has been playing well.  My computer does not predict an upset in either game, and doesn't even project the chance of losing one is greater than winning out, but it could happen.

If they lose to Arkansas, things get whacky.  You'd likely have a 3-way tie in the SEC West and tie-breakers kick in to determine who goes to the championship game.  Unfortunately, it isn't as simple as the highest in the BCS, as if the top-2 teams are close enough in the rankings it reverts to head-to-head.

Let's assume that because LSU's loss would be the latest that the pollsters drop them the most an in the polls it is Alabama, Arkansas, then LSU.  I'd be hard pressed to justify this, Arkansas' schedule to date is the weakest of the 1-loss teams (weaker than Boise State's thus far) so my computer would likely have them the third of that group, but pollsters like what happened lately.  However, for reasons similar to why my computer wouldn't move Arkansas up as far, the BCS computers might not as well.  However, some of the BCS computers are themselves a little questionable so who knows what happens.  It should be extremely close and it will boil down to how Arkansas wins (if they do) and how the polls react.

As a quick test, I added an Arkansas win over LSU to my BCS algorithm and it results in LSU #2, Arkansas #3, and Alabama #5.  If the BCS computers did that, you could easily have Arkansas at least the 2nd of the group behind LSU and that would put them in the championship game.  Again, my regular algorithm wouldn't think they are worthy based on their entire season, but it could happen.

The Scenarios


So who would the top-2 teams be after all the title games should this whackiness occur?  Again, let's use my BCS algorithm to do some tests.  All of these assume Oklahoma beats Oklahoma State and Oregon wins out including a win over ASU in the Pac-12 title game.

If LSU loses to Arkansas but goes to and wins the SEC title game over Georgia, my BCS algorithm has OU and Oklahoma State #1 and #2.  The polls wouldn't keep the Cowboys high enough though so we look to #3 and that is LSU and you have an LSU/OU BCS title game.

If LSU loses to Arkansas and Arkansas goes to and wins the SEC title game over Georgia, the top-2 are the same again and looking to #3 we have Arkansas narrowly ahead of LSU resulting in OU/Arkansas in the finale.

If LSU loses to Arkansas and Alabama goes to and wins the SEC title game over Georgia, the top-2 are again OU/OkSt and Arkansas is still a narrow #3 over Alabama.  The polls would likely bump Alabama into the BCS title game though giving them more credit for playing and winning the title game even if Arkansas were ahead of them in the BCS going into the game.

Now, for a few other whacky scenarios.

If LSU beats Arkansas but loses to Georgia in the SEC title game, my BCS algorithm has OU/OkSt still the top-2 but keeps LSU #3.  It would be hard to see the polls drop LSU behind the two teams they beat,  so it becomes a debate in the polls about LSU or Oklahoma State, or perhaps Oregon gets an opportunity in this case.

Now, if LSU loses to Arkansas, still gets to the SEC title game, but loses there, they fall all the way to #6 in my BCS algorithm, Arkansas being #3 and Alabama #4, those two making their case with the polls deciding which should go.

You'll notice I discount Oklahoma State even though the BCS computers are likely to have them ranked high even with the loss.  This is because I think the polls will drop them from consideration.

You'll also notice that I only mention Oregon getting a shot in one scenario above.  That is because the computers have them #4 today and they have limited opportunity to improve much as their schedule isn't as strong as the others and while USC is a good opponent, closing with a bad Oregon State team and just an ok ASU will hurt them while their 1-loss competition is playing top-10 foes.  The Big-12 and SEC are the strongest conferences this year and all else being equal, I have no issue with them fielding the 2 teams in the BCS title game.

It should be fun!